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nothing may ever be the same around here

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at skeptic oh okay that's Meryl and Bo

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kind of a wacky show on conspiracies I

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think it came out great I think these

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studio for a little while to talk with

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introduction let's get right on to the

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show today I have a special if you will

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episode of skeptic Oh special for me at

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least because Marilyn bow from the

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campfire [\h__\h] show podcast are actually

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joining me in my little home studio so

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you guys welcome thanks so much for

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being here thank you so excited to be

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here we are trapped in a dungeon if

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anyone's wondering if they don't if you

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never hear from Marilyn Bowie you just

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leave us here it's really nice so I'll

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just stay in serve me food like once a

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week or something we're fine well things

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were really happy to be here so it's

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great to have you here is so Merrill I

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met you online because I have this wacky

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of thing and it's a new project and I

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because you are such a cool person and

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you're into conspiracies like I am which

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was cool and then you introduce me to

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this awesome Cod cast that you do with

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thought you know this might be fun to

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talk about both from the conspiratorial

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angle which we both are interested

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I'm interested in and I'm always trying

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to pull skeptical listeners in because I

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say this is essentially it what's one

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skeptical is about because we run into

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these conspiracies whether we want to or

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not and I've certainly run into them

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just trying to follow the trail of

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consciousness science so with that I

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thought I'd turn it over to you guys to

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do a little bit of introduction tell us

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more about yourself tell folks about the

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campfire shitshow yeah I'm Merrill I'm

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one half of campfire shitshow and I

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worked for eleven years in the music

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industry nice neck that wasn't on screen

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see they're only seeing oh yeah exactly

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my people of their body parts and I

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conspiratorial realm or you know

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whatever realm a few years ago I

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of like weird soul breakdown it's really

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really weird but well screw it over that

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audience there amaryl so keep going with

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whoever's still remaining nice are you

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pouring you're supposed to be the

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comedian anyway but no that's all real

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stop please no continue but who knows

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according to this podcast she may be

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listening from somewhere my favorite

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show and you go well the reason that I'm

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a skeptic is yeah yeah

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copywriting all that kind of stuff I'm

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events and we have our podcast but the

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more exciting part is I am a huge the

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seeker of truth and information so oh

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you're not buying the seeker thing oh my

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gosh marilyn is all full of [\h__\h] right

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even got started we worked on a TV show

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films and things like that and then that

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podcast I wanted to do a podcast and

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they're like let's do something together

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but what would it be and I was like well

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that seems very like boring like oh

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talking you know it's like but honestly

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it be you know honestly Meryl [\h__\h] in

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your pants and a Whole Foods or me

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getting cheated on and then me catching

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them in the act and telling that story

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it all happened last week this is just a

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normal that's just what week guys yeah

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what in the process of that she's always

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like well that's you know there are

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others lizard people and I was like wait

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let's talk about pizza gate and I'm like

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told me about this I'm like all nine I

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got to see these crazy people I'm like

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we're going to this guy's house I met

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him on Craigslist yeah I was like oh

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this is danger all around let's do it

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that's the campfire [\h__\h] show spirit

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people who are just joking around we

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skeptic coke because I am certainly not

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above [\h__\h] showing it I'm all about that

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you know in one of the things I thought

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was really cool about you guys and what

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you do and being on the scene in San

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TV scene trying to make all that stuff

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happen which is

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crazy anyone but no but you know one

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connection between comedy and conspiracy

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so you know it's so I had a couple

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Chappelle on Netflix right and he's

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dropping the conspiracy bonds you know

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thing in Hollywood what if that's not

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the whole thing he says and what if you

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know the reason I went to good run away

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for all those years nobody really knows

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talking about the conspiracy stuff and

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then of course Joe Rogan with the most

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who was I guess a comedian I don't

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and everything he's yucking it up with

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Alex Jones and yeah although he's

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turning around and stabbing him in the

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back afterwards but who cares he's still

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you know talking about conspiracy out of

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same time poking fun of it and then you

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know you look at that you go oh wow

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crazy Illuminati picture

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the corner it's Taco Bell that's a Taco

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making fun of the whole conspiracy thing

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right if they're trying to embrace it in

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some way so I think there's a lot to

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truth tellers are they telling us a

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different truth and then conspiracy and

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you that's on there okay so my first

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by cloning pages really yeah so the

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whole page of YouTube videos like why

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these celebrities it changes in any way

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old Eminem I don't care what I have a

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substitute to get him do you has change

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because the new Chappelle is is awesome

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culture which you know I mean I don't

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cloning thing but as I am in the music

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industry as well and I attend Coachella

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symbols that I kind of associated with

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Illuminati but now it's almost become so

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mainstream that almost everyone knows

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of people wear like Baphomet jewelry in

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their videos and people are commenting

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now like Illuminati or you know stuff

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like that so that's almost become kind

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of like mainstream now for people to

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call it out on people's things so I

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discovering my own opinion on this and

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whether or not they're shoving it down

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our throats or and kind of not caring

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that it's so obvious or they're like

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touches both of those because if you

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watch the Taco Bell ads they're not

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totally they're not totally suppressing

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the giggle factor but by the same token

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gut reaction when I'm at see something

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that's like mayoral bring up an

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as she says like Beyonce makes the

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triangle or whatever and it's like

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what's the point so she does it and if

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anybody's like well what is that it's

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like well they're not gonna immediately

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be invited into this club so that's like

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why I put it out there for people to

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even question why can't it just be why

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wouldn't it just be a secret society

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instead of being like there are all

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these images and all these places where

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it's featured and we want to tell you

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that it's out there so come on everybody

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join our big group that's secret it's

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like what as far as the Taco Bell thing

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I think that's good branding I think

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that's just an idea that's an ad

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campaign of good branding it's like

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anything else like you want to put your

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brand everywhere at this idea it can't

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be completely comedy because it needs to

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be a little bit like not spooky but like

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interesting and if it's just funny then

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it's like it's a quick joke and see you

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later bye but they're doing this whole

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is it both Illuminati yabba loominatee

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it's catchy and they're playing on this

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idea that it's kind of like isn't it

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like a late-night thing isn't it like

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the other one after night and it gets

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dark and that's when the balloonman are

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you come out I was like it's it's kind

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of catchy and I think it's just okay job

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a brandy okay okay okay okay I hear you

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I just piss all over it no let them know

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because there's two places I want to go

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with this because we can't kind of trace

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all these conspiracies and they're not

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worth tracking Mall down even

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the ones that I think are true but let

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me hit you with a couple of things and

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Italy this is a long way around the barn

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to get to the conspiratorial stuff that

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interests me which is primarily science

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in consciousness as I was explained she

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as we were chatting a little bit about

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sure you know who argued why are you

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here and science tells you you're a

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biological robot a meaningless universe

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that is a conspiracy but we want to

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deconstruct that now I'll give you a

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really just kind of plain exact

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in-your-face example that is just

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impossible to ignore New York Times okay

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so this is from December of last year

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this is like two months ago

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right did you hear this did you process

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this boat no you will see yeah I mean

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okay just watch the video

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okay I'm gonna play the video man say

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like well going against the windmill

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so what you have here is the New York

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Times saying that UFOs are real saying

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that Harry Reid Congressman Harry Reid

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ran a project a secret project and they

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were investigating UFOs and they found

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him to be real I mean what disclosure

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control disclosure but they're in your

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face telling you UFOs are real so you

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know it's cool that I guess it's a game

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that you haven't heard about this but

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what are you gonna do with that okay so

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no my mind is not Malone it's a UFO and

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unidentified flying objects that could

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be some anything that's unidentified it

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could be some project of something right

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that the government government has

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plenty of things going on that you have

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no idea about so hold on Bo I mean see

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this is the problem that I said before

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like if you haven't investigated at

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least a little bit

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you're and the conversation gets kind of

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stupid it gets stupid it gets stupid

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because what they're investigating is

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not gee what's up there in the air what

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they're investigating is UFOs UFOs in

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the sense of the word you know I just

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did an interview with Colonel John

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Alexander who is this guy who's been in

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the military for 40 50 years all the

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MKULTRA Stav associated with all that

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kind of stuff in a real way I mean

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that's his history you know even

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Stargate programs psychic spying he is a

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colonel retired colonel he just wrote a

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book about extended consciousness and

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drinking ayahuasca

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oh yeah and all that stuff but he has

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long been known to maintain this

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position that the government isn't

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hiding anything about UFOs they just

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don't know about UFOs well the main

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point one of the main points I had with

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John is you can no longer maintain that

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position everyone who's in the UFO

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community is known that the government

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is hiding this up for 50 years and now

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it's in your face in the New York

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so it's not like you can put the genie

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back in the bottle and say as Neil

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deGrasse Tyson said is exactly what you

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did while they are unidentified that's

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laughable you have our best fighter jet

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pilots in our most highest technology on

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bro what the [\h__\h] is going on

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these things are maneuvering they're not

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just objects they're maneuvering they're

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not us we don't know how to do any of

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this stuff we don't know how to move at

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6,000 miles an hour and make right turns

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but if if you accept at all that this is

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real that appears the New York Times and

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it did and you can go read all about the

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disclosure of it and stuff like that

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then you have to accept that since 1955

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there we have released documents from

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the government that said we know these

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things are real we know these things are

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happening we don't know what to do with

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it it's our highest level security item

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so some come like a jerkish here but if

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you don't know that stuff you don't know

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that stuff but you can't just fill it in

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with the gap was saying unidentified

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means unidentified that's just that's

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not responsive to the data that's at

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hand it doesn't really deal with the

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date right and we're open to having

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aliens on the podcast I mean I'm

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actually seeking I I like have already

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had conversations in my mind with when I

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do encounter someone from another kind

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what I would say to them and I'm not

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quite sure if I think aliens are like a

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dark force trying to kind of pull us in

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and do some demonic stuff on us or if

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they're trying to help us and raise us

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up and have stuff to help the human race

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or somewhere in between so I'm not quite

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sure why do you like the idea that we

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make first contact and the the thing

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they say right out of the gate is hey

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can we get on that show campfire sure

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yeah we really want to do the show so if

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there are any et beings listening we

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would love to have you on campfire no

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problem almost it's so hard it's so hard

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to know what's real and not real even in

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the news and I say that in this sense of

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so much can be fabricated I I could make

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that video I can make that video now

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that's not saying that that video is not

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authentic I'm just saying like somebody

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could make

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video like that right no you don't think

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so you don't think that's not the point

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I mean the point is that that someone

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could make that video it's like oh okay

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bow go down that path who made the video

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and released it in the New York Times as

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being a video a part of a 20 million

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dollar US secret program into UFOs sure

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who went and talked to Harry Reid who

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they went into interviewed and said yeah

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I ran the program isn't it so go ahead

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like that tell me I hate when people

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replace one conspiracy with a bigger

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conspiracy well I mean then in that case

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like the reality is I I don't know and I

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do believe that there's something bigger

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than than what I understand for sure and

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so we're available to get like beamed up

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soon

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this could be a shortened show but yeah

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listen I want to be open to the idea I'm

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not maybe it sounds like I'm being very

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close-minded I'm throwing the response

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out there that's like well it is hard

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for me to believe some of these things

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not because they can't be or could not

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exist but because I have not spent my

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time and I'm very much ignorant towards

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a lot of these subjects well you don't

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have to go the ignorant route we don't

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throw that out don't throw the I word

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out there from my experience in doing

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this show and dealing with all sorts of

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different people as I told you you know

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I mean pissing off all the atheists

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which I did early on pissing off all the

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Christians which I did shortly

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thereafter pissing off all religious

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people of any it's three yeah what I

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found is consistently the problem is

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that we hold on to our belief systems

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and we all do that you know because when

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you wake up two o'clock in the morning

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and you're wondering how life should

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even go on or what my role is or

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all the dark night of the soul moments

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that we have even if we don't believe we

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have a soul the only thing you have to

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hold on to are your belief your

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structure of how the world works and

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when suni comes along and says no no

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that's not how the world works we're not

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real comfortable with that and and

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consistently we show that we're not like

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you know we all look at like

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Scientologists and people like that and

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we go gee how do those people hold on to

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the beliefs and then they haven't they

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seen the TV shows haven't they seen this

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in frag I always point out this

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sociologist who wrote this awesome book

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a long time ago and it's called when

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prophecy fails and what he wanted to do

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is he said you know what happens when a

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cult leader has a group has a belief

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system and is prophesizing about the end

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of the world and the end of the world

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doesn't happen I mean that's pretty and

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what you'd expect you know because we

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all think we're open-minded and rational

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and all that you think everyone's gonna

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be like okay pack things up you know

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it's closed down and they don't what

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they do what he found this sociologist

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who studied this is they double the helm

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they don't say oh okay our leader is not

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all-knowing they say oh he knows he just

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got the date wrong they double down

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we'll do anything to protect our belief

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systems so here you know it's unfair for

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you Bo but you just were exposed to the

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reality that the government is known

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about UFOs from another planet theirs

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from another system whether it's time

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travel or whether it's multi-dimensional

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however the [\h__\h] you want to put it

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together it ain't our Birds up there

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flying around

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it ain't a mistaken unidentified thing

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it's a superior superior technological

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thing that's up there so your world is

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blown and that's just the reality but

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you're gonna not face that you're gonna

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I want to be clear but I what is your

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motto but I would it be clear it's not

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that I don't believe that that could

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exist or that does exist I do believe

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there's something else out there

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absolutely 100% I just feel like in the

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same breath I look at things with a

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skeptical eye or or I just look at

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things maybe with a maybe with a closed

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mind I'm listening to you and like maybe

535
00:23:58,830 --> 00:23:50,390
I'm looking at this of the clothesline

536
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:02,500
yeah so I do believe I mean you show me

537
00:24:07,780 --> 00:24:05,450
a video of a UFO and it's like I can say

538
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:07,790
yeah I totally believe it that that

539
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,640
probably exists but at the same time I I

540
00:24:13,630 --> 00:24:12,320
can't go the other way and be like but

541
00:24:15,580 --> 00:24:13,640
could anybody make this video like

542
00:24:17,049 --> 00:24:15,590
what's to believe it what's not to

543
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:17,059
believe you know man

544
00:24:21,370 --> 00:24:19,490
well well jump in there brain just reach

545
00:24:23,620 --> 00:24:21,380
out there and knock him on that the head

546
00:24:28,450 --> 00:24:23,630
well I almost to the other extreme where

547
00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:28,460
I think some people in the culture right

548
00:24:32,820 --> 00:24:31,070
now might be like even I think they may

549
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:32,830
be integrating another part of

550
00:24:37,870 --> 00:24:35,330
extraterrestrial people within like who

551
00:24:40,299 --> 00:24:37,880
we're seeing today so I feel like some

552
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:40,309
people are being made into like half an

553
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:43,250
alien's and half humans I really do

554
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:45,290
sound crazy but I agree with that so I

555
00:24:50,290 --> 00:24:47,360
almost think alien an extraterrestrial

556
00:24:52,150 --> 00:24:50,300
is like seeping in more than we know

557
00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:52,160
and it probably already has been in I

558
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:53,510
mean I think the government really has

559
00:24:59,230 --> 00:24:55,850
come out and said yes there are UFOs and

560
00:25:01,419 --> 00:24:59,240
that has been we don't like it has to be

561
00:25:03,340 --> 00:25:01,429
yeah oh yeah yeah yeah but I mean it may

562
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:03,350
be even more integrated than we know

563
00:25:06,580 --> 00:25:05,210
currently so I think like we may have

564
00:25:10,750 --> 00:25:06,590
there the government may have more

565
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:10,760
contact with extraterrestrials well but

566
00:25:18,430 --> 00:25:13,610
before we totally blow Bo out of the

567
00:25:19,930 --> 00:25:18,440
water there how do you send him I'm the

568
00:25:23,950 --> 00:25:19,940
science experiment you guys brought me I

569
00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:23,960
love we're gonna break this dude yeah

570
00:25:28,419 --> 00:25:26,809
this isn't MKULTRA program oh no no

571
00:25:30,820 --> 00:25:28,429
we're gonna break you down mind control

572
00:25:31,420 --> 00:25:30,830
at the end you will he's gonna be having

573
00:25:33,940 --> 00:25:31,430
like a butter

574
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:33,950
his eyes eye and holding like in a

575
00:25:40,420 --> 00:25:36,080
bathtub Alex I would like to expose

576
00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:40,430
something okay okay so I would like to

577
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:43,310
ask you your thoughts about yoga because

578
00:25:48,730 --> 00:25:44,720
we're here in Southern California

579
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:48,740
yoga's very popular I am like I don't

580
00:25:53,050 --> 00:25:50,690
practice yoga anymore because I was

581
00:25:54,580 --> 00:25:53,060
doing a lot of Kundalini Yoga a few

582
00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:54,590
years ago and that's what ultimately I

583
00:25:59,260 --> 00:25:57,110
think led to my like psychic meltdown at

584
00:26:01,360 --> 00:25:59,270
the time and I think Yoga is like an

585
00:26:03,130 --> 00:26:01,370
opening to dark forces and not to

586
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:03,140
completely change it but I wanted to get

587
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:04,610
your take on it and if you've had people

588
00:26:08,530 --> 00:26:06,410
I know you talked to a lot of people

589
00:26:10,690 --> 00:26:08,540
that are based in Eastern philosophy and

590
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:10,700
Eastern practices but to me like I'm

591
00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:13,760
very skeptical about yoga and I think it

592
00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:15,710
should be practiced kind of with care

593
00:26:19,660 --> 00:26:17,510
and concern not that it's very popular

594
00:26:29,980 --> 00:26:19,670
here but I think Yoga is kind of like a

595
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:29,990
cult practice maybe you can also have

596
00:26:33,340 --> 00:26:32,330
the make up for it first up like I think

597
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:33,350
for someone that's already kind of

598
00:26:40,150 --> 00:26:36,890
teetering off the edge like me when I do

599
00:26:41,710 --> 00:26:40,160
yoga it seems to open up like portals to

600
00:26:43,810 --> 00:26:41,720
things that aren't the best for me so

601
00:26:45,730 --> 00:26:43,820
when I was doing a lot of Kundalini Yoga

602
00:26:48,790 --> 00:26:45,740
I genuinely think I got some type of

603
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:48,800
like weird spiritual like meltdown thing

604
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:49,610
happening and I was having

605
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:52,240
hallucinations and I was like feeling

606
00:26:56,110 --> 00:26:54,410
weird things and almost like kinda

607
00:26:57,700 --> 00:26:56,120
hearing voices and it was not good for

608
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:57,710
me and then when I stopped it took me a

609
00:27:03,100 --> 00:26:59,360
while but everything kind of settled

610
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:03,110
down well you know the thing that I

611
00:27:07,330 --> 00:27:04,880
think is kind of an important part of

612
00:27:10,510 --> 00:27:07,340
this whole process in the broader sense

613
00:27:12,250 --> 00:27:10,520
is and I think that's what skeptic Oh

614
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:12,260
has kind of been about you know skeptic

615
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:13,490
of the origin of it is kind of be

616
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:15,650
skeptical and it took me a long time to

617
00:27:22,210 --> 00:27:18,410
figure out but the true meaning of it

618
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:22,220
and that is inquiry that perpetuates

619
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:25,250
doubt so I I am in some ways more

620
00:27:28,510 --> 00:27:26,810
sympathetic to go I think we should

621
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:28,520
always be doubting I think that's the

622
00:27:32,860 --> 00:27:30,530
only place to be I think that's the true

623
00:27:36,010 --> 00:27:32,870
spiritual path is to always be doubting

624
00:27:37,630 --> 00:27:36,020
don't be accepting always take in our

625
00:27:39,790 --> 00:27:37,640
experience but compared to other

626
00:27:42,010 --> 00:27:39,800
experience and see what that means as it

627
00:27:45,340 --> 00:27:42,020
relates to yoga but I think a lot of

628
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:45,350
folks don't fully appreciate is

629
00:27:50,499 --> 00:27:46,850
man you got people have been studying

630
00:27:52,659 --> 00:27:50,509
that stuff for 2,000 years and you know

631
00:27:55,749 --> 00:27:52,669
I was like do you know who ROM das is

632
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:55,759
yeah so Ram Dass is a really cool guy

633
00:28:00,039 --> 00:27:57,919
you go back and look at the history you

634
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:00,049
know Ram Dass is this Professor Richard

635
00:28:04,810 --> 00:28:03,200
Alpert at Harvard and he's there with

636
00:28:07,659 --> 00:28:04,820
another guy you might have heard of Tim

637
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:07,669
Leary hmm and they're discovered this

638
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:09,529
crazy [\h__\h] that the government brought

639
00:28:14,409 --> 00:28:11,570
in and said hey see what this might do

640
00:28:16,029 --> 00:28:14,419
for our MKULTRA mind control program in

641
00:28:18,190 --> 00:28:16,039
its LSD he says you know I was just

642
00:28:19,539 --> 00:28:18,200
going work what can we do with it we'll

643
00:28:20,919 --> 00:28:19,549
start doing some experiments and they do

644
00:28:25,210 --> 00:28:20,929
and the next thing you know they're like

645
00:28:27,310 --> 00:28:25,220
whoa so we all know what Timothy Leary

646
00:28:30,999 --> 00:28:27,320
does and that causes a cultural

647
00:28:33,730 --> 00:28:31,009
revolution of cultural change but robbed

648
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:33,740
Richard Albert who becomes Ram Dass he

649
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:35,809
goes to India and he says you know what

650
00:28:40,269 --> 00:28:38,450
is the what is the deeper meaning of

651
00:28:42,460 --> 00:28:40,279
this and does anyone else know about

652
00:28:44,499 --> 00:28:42,470
this stuff and he finds this guy up in

653
00:28:47,399 --> 00:28:44,509
the him by his knee and karoli baba and

654
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:47,409
it gives him the LSD he says here and

655
00:28:51,999 --> 00:28:50,210
neem karoli baba takes a bunch of it and

656
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:52,009
says there it doesn't do anything to me

657
00:28:55,419 --> 00:28:53,809
and it didn't do anything to him and he

658
00:28:58,690 --> 00:28:55,429
said okay look I'll tell you the truth

659
00:29:00,669 --> 00:28:58,700
if you've really developed your yoga I'm

660
00:29:03,009 --> 00:29:00,679
making this kind of a character richer

661
00:29:05,889 --> 00:29:03,019
of this story but that you control your

662
00:29:07,330 --> 00:29:05,899
mind it's just a mind game but it is an

663
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:07,340
interesting medicine it helps you see

664
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:10,490
God da ROM das is totally blown away oh

665
00:29:14,889 --> 00:29:13,129
my god this is this is this is real and

666
00:29:16,810 --> 00:29:14,899
a whole different sense than we've

667
00:29:18,820 --> 00:29:16,820
understood it it's not just a

668
00:29:21,970 --> 00:29:18,830
pharmaceutical it is some kind of

669
00:29:24,220 --> 00:29:21,980
doorway to this art hire thing well the

670
00:29:27,490 --> 00:29:24,230
point of all that for your situation

671
00:29:30,460 --> 00:29:27,500
marrow or your experience is that rod

672
00:29:33,369 --> 00:29:30,470
ass goes on to say you know a real

673
00:29:36,029 --> 00:29:33,379
eye-opener for me was looking at this

674
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:36,039
culture they deal with Kundalini

675
00:29:40,749 --> 00:29:38,090
awakening of the kind that you're

676
00:29:42,639 --> 00:29:40,759
talking about all the time not all the

677
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:42,649
time but it's understood that people

678
00:29:49,539 --> 00:29:46,720
might have a spontaneous Kundalini

679
00:29:52,810 --> 00:29:49,549
awakening this transformative spiritual

680
00:29:55,389 --> 00:29:52,820
experience and they're kind of crazy six

681
00:29:57,740 --> 00:29:55,399
months and everyone just goes okay you

682
00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:57,750
know just come on Pete gentle

683
00:30:01,790 --> 00:29:59,580
you know they're going through it you

684
00:30:03,170 --> 00:30:01,800
know that's it it'll work out they don't

685
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:03,180
put him in an institution they don't

686
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:04,290
give them a bunch of drugs they don't

687
00:30:08,780 --> 00:30:07,010
point fingers at him and say oh my god

688
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:08,790
as a matter of fact they say the

689
00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:12,000
opposite they say wow that person has

690
00:30:16,750 --> 00:30:14,310
made another step either voluntarily or

691
00:30:20,060 --> 00:30:16,760
involuntarily along their spiritual path

692
00:30:22,340 --> 00:30:20,070
they've worked through a lot of that

693
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:22,350
stuff that we from the West come at it

694
00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:24,930
and go oh no no no we figured it all out

695
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:26,700
we are all biological robots and

696
00:30:29,060 --> 00:30:27,930
meaningless universe so therefore if

697
00:30:31,340 --> 00:30:29,070
anything happens it has to have a

698
00:30:32,990 --> 00:30:31,350
chemical all right we can figure it out

699
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:33,000
and we can medicate you for it and all

700
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:35,130
the rest of this so the point being that

701
00:30:49,220 --> 00:30:46,510
cultural experience and human experience

702
00:30:51,260 --> 00:30:49,230
that thousands of years at it that

703
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:51,270
really has to be studied and understood

704
00:30:55,460 --> 00:30:53,490
and nuanced and there's a lot of people

705
00:30:57,410 --> 00:30:55,470
that are going through a lot of the same

706
00:30:59,300 --> 00:30:57,420
things that you are and you can find

707
00:31:01,790 --> 00:30:59,310
support groups you can find people to

708
00:31:04,340 --> 00:31:01,800
talk to that have had those kind of

709
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:04,350
experiences and it's it's a whole rich

710
00:31:10,270 --> 00:31:07,170
area to explore would be my thing that's

711
00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:10,280
not me I mean I'm kind of spiritually

712
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,990
dense you know I mean I see it I can get

713
00:31:21,260 --> 00:31:18,480
slight glimpses of it but nothing like

714
00:31:22,790 --> 00:31:21,270
what you experience but I still see the

715
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:22,800
value in it because I'm not a biological

716
00:31:28,550 --> 00:31:25,770
robot to me in this universe I am the

717
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:28,560
voice inside my head which is the voice

718
00:31:35,330 --> 00:31:31,050
inside of all our heads we all hear it

719
00:31:38,180 --> 00:31:35,340
it's no joke is something more than just

720
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:38,190
a chemical and empowering of chemical

721
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:39,720
reactions that will go all pitch-black

722
00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:44,840
when they stop existing so oh shut up

723
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:47,340
that was my first kind of foray into

724
00:31:52,550 --> 00:31:49,710
another realm and I am a silly person

725
00:31:54,170 --> 00:31:52,560
but it was a terrifying experience and I

726
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:54,180
was in yoga classes probably next to

727
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:56,100
people like you who could leave the

728
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:57,330
class and like go get a smoothie

729
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,340
afterwards and then go to Trader Joe's

730
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,200
and be fine and meanwhile I was like

731
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:03,600
really at a time I probably could have

732
00:32:08,180 --> 00:32:06,330
or shouldn't have felt like I was like

733
00:32:10,550 --> 00:32:08,190
institutionalized or something like that

734
00:32:11,539 --> 00:32:10,560
I had to take off work I missed work for

735
00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:11,549
a couple weeks you know

736
00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:13,860
I really had a big giant psychic

737
00:32:19,489 --> 00:32:16,830
experience that kind of scared me into

738
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:19,499
being fearful of the realm but now I'm

739
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:21,210
in the way where I'm like freewill

740
00:32:27,499 --> 00:32:25,289
Trump's all instead of feeling like I'm

741
00:32:29,239 --> 00:32:27,509
at the mercy of having any sort of like

742
00:32:31,549 --> 00:32:29,249
evil spirits or anything like that I

743
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:31,559
just have backed up on the yoga and a

744
00:32:35,539 --> 00:32:33,690
lot of TM and stuff like that and just

745
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:35,549
because I know from my own genetic

746
00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:37,529
makeup it might not be for me or I'm

747
00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:40,679
kind of just scared to go further into

748
00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:42,360
that route to be completely honest you

749
00:32:47,479 --> 00:32:45,480
know I had to like integrate myself by

750
00:32:49,340 --> 00:32:47,489
drinking alcohol and watching baseball

751
00:32:50,659 --> 00:32:49,350
games and like bringing myself down a

752
00:32:53,869 --> 00:32:50,669
little bit because I just don't think

753
00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:53,879
I'm like I wasn't rooted enough to go up

754
00:32:57,859 --> 00:32:55,980
there at the time and I don't still kind

755
00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:57,869
of think I'm not but what went down the

756
00:33:01,039 --> 00:32:59,580
path of that is being really interested

757
00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:01,049
and open to the idea that there's a lot

758
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:03,539
of other kind of forces at play because

759
00:33:10,489 --> 00:33:07,129
I experienced it myself of feeling like

760
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:10,499
stretched to the point of like losing

761
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:14,159
grounding a little bit and that's why

762
00:33:23,749 --> 00:33:22,200
I'm on lexapro no that's not it but it's

763
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,759
good to talk about and I think it's like

764
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:25,440
especially being out here in Southern

765
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:27,570
California there's a lot of spiritual

766
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,850
work and energy work and everyone's a

767
00:33:33,169 --> 00:33:31,440
crystal healer and everyone's into Ricci

768
00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:33,179
and I think like I had the experience

769
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:34,830
where I'm like well if you do a lot of

770
00:33:38,419 --> 00:33:36,809
that and you're around people that

771
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:38,429
aren't safe it can be a really really

772
00:33:43,879 --> 00:33:41,820
terrifying and lonely experience but now

773
00:33:45,769 --> 00:33:43,889
I make a joke out of it instead of being

774
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:45,779
really afraid of it but there's months

775
00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:48,450
on time where it kind of ruined me well

776
00:33:53,570 --> 00:33:51,539
you know there's there's like I can't

777
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:53,580
speak directly and never would try to

778
00:33:57,169 --> 00:33:55,049
speak directly to kind of your

779
00:34:01,099 --> 00:33:57,179
experience but I can speak to the show

780
00:34:04,099 --> 00:34:01,109
skeptic oh and it's I don't want to say

781
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:04,109
common but it is the same story that

782
00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:05,369
you're talking about is told over and

783
00:34:09,879 --> 00:34:07,799
over again in a bunch of kind of strange

784
00:34:13,010 --> 00:34:09,889
places I mean one is the kind of

785
00:34:14,359 --> 00:34:13,020
spontaneous spiritual transformative

786
00:34:16,789 --> 00:34:14,369
experience that you're talking about

787
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,799
over and over again you hear it the same

788
00:34:20,930 --> 00:34:18,480
way you know we're talking a little bit

789
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:20,940
about near-death experience science you

790
00:34:24,919 --> 00:34:22,609
know which is something that I really

791
00:34:26,359 --> 00:34:24,929
latched on to what is this

792
00:34:28,549 --> 00:34:26,369
science behind it are there any

793
00:34:30,589 --> 00:34:28,559
peer-reviewed papers that would lead us

794
00:34:32,180 --> 00:34:30,599
to believe that consciousness does

795
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:32,190
survive death and at this point there's

796
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:34,740
over 200 which again Bo doesn't know

797
00:34:46,309 --> 00:34:44,609
about because he doesn't really know

798
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,319
what doesn't it say is you know so you

799
00:34:50,899 --> 00:34:48,240
look at this near-death experience right

800
00:34:53,409 --> 00:34:50,909
and it's all about going to the light

801
00:34:56,450 --> 00:34:53,419
light and love and all these

802
00:34:57,980 --> 00:34:56,460
unbelievably fantastic experiences but

803
00:35:01,069 --> 00:34:57,990
then look at the other side of it and

804
00:35:02,510 --> 00:35:01,079
some researchers have it's the same kind

805
00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:02,520
of integration problems that you're

806
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,230
talking about people go through

807
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:07,200
depression people experience much higher

808
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:08,130
rate of divorce

809
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,250
people have this euphoric feeling of

810
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:13,440
connection with everyone for a while and

811
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,210
then that dissipates and they can

812
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:17,520
sometimes feel lost now a lot of times

813
00:35:21,970 --> 00:35:19,530
it turns around and they actually build

814
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:21,980
upon that and feel greater but these

815
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:25,890
recurring themes of dark night of the

816
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:29,970
soul transformative experiences that

817
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:32,790
kind of totally blow our reality back us

818
00:35:40,420 --> 00:35:36,540
on our but all those things are aren't

819
00:35:42,770 --> 00:35:40,430
just commonplace in this realm of

820
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:42,780
spiritual transformation and just

821
00:35:48,620 --> 00:35:45,599
extended consciousness beyond this kind

822
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:48,630
of dorky existence that we're told is

823
00:35:53,210 --> 00:35:51,720
all there is that's really interesting I

824
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:53,220
feel like there should be a sceptical

825
00:35:59,809 --> 00:35:55,770
guide to having a spiritual breakdown

826
00:36:02,349 --> 00:35:59,819
okay flash Awakening I buy it if you put

827
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:02,359
it in like PDF form I would buy anything

828
00:36:08,329 --> 00:36:06,089
so yeah I think now when I see and my

829
00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:08,339
mind is open to anything so when I watch

830
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:10,020
a lot of like to bring it back to music

831
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:12,180
which I'm very versed in bow and I are

832
00:36:16,789 --> 00:36:15,210
both first in a lot of the bands like

833
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:16,799
when I watch their videos I see the same

834
00:36:21,410 --> 00:36:19,049
symbolism of in a birdcage

835
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:21,420
you know bathtub like butterflies all

836
00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:24,089
over and I wanted to just kind of get

837
00:36:27,980 --> 00:36:26,190
your take on that in terms of now when

838
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:27,990
when you watch something are you

839
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:30,960
watching with the eye about what's going

840
00:36:37,609 --> 00:36:32,609
on or do you watch a lot of stuff just

841
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:37,619
for enjoyment well you know I think I'd

842
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:38,850
take that

843
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:42,210
a different direction and again to try

844
00:36:50,090 --> 00:36:43,980
and be engaged with both because it does

845
00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:50,100
seem kind of no you are so cool I could

846
00:36:58,100 --> 00:36:52,440
tell you're more spiritually Merrill and

847
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:58,110
I combined so mellow I need yourself but

848
00:37:00,740 --> 00:36:59,520
when we were sitting on the couch you

849
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:00,750
were talking about and you didn't even

850
00:37:04,460 --> 00:37:02,370
finish the sentence but you're talking

851
00:37:06,860 --> 00:37:04,470
about experience and I think where

852
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:06,870
you're going was experience trumps

853
00:37:09,740 --> 00:37:08,130
everything

854
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:09,750
yeah you know and and that's where I

855
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:12,450
think I would go with with your point

856
00:37:16,070 --> 00:37:13,920
Mara what before I can go there I got to

857
00:37:18,580 --> 00:37:16,080
hear what beau has to say so how do you

858
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:18,590
feel like how do you process your

859
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,490
experience and in terms of your

860
00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:22,800
experience trumps everything well I

861
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:25,020
guess I I guess I kind of mean like like

862
00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:27,210
hearing a situation like today knowing

863
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:29,700
that I'm coming into a conversation with

864
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:31,770
two people who are almost already

865
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:34,680
connected in many ways belief system and

866
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:38,370
so I knowing that I know I'm coming in

867
00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:39,690
from the outside but I feel like the

868
00:37:43,580 --> 00:37:41,160
experience of that I will learn

869
00:37:45,260 --> 00:37:43,590
something I'm never going in go I'm

870
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:45,270
gonna go make these people sound like

871
00:37:48,290 --> 00:37:46,980
they're crazy or I want to disagree with

872
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:48,300
them in every way if I do disagree I

873
00:37:54,110 --> 00:37:50,820
will I just feel like honesty over

874
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:54,120
kindness always say what you is actually

875
00:37:57,620 --> 00:37:56,490
on your mind and accept new experiences

876
00:38:01,220 --> 00:37:57,630
and in every way

877
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:01,230
I don't agree or subscribe to any one

878
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:04,530
belief system I was raised Christian but

879
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:07,920
as a young man said this is [\h__\h] and

880
00:38:11,660 --> 00:38:09,180
got out of it

881
00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:11,670
and so ever since then I've never looked

882
00:38:16,510 --> 00:38:13,800
back I'm just kind of like take what you

883
00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:16,520
feel is important or what you find

884
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:18,840
interesting from all these different

885
00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:20,850
parts and experience has been the one

886
00:38:24,910 --> 00:38:22,680
thing throughout my entire life where I

887
00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:24,920
thrust myself into things that I'm

888
00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:29,160
uneducated on uncomfortable with just

889
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:30,990
because I know I'm gonna grow through

890
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,330
that and so that's what I kind of meant

891
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,000
about the experience of this today is

892
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:38,400
like I know this guy's gonna hand my ass

893
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:41,820
to me so I should really go in there and

894
00:38:53,370 --> 00:38:48,870
you're like totally purple right now

895
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:53,380
micro dosing in the we have our

896
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,520
Starbucks chicken biscuit you know I

897
00:39:01,530 --> 00:38:59,200
think that's that's cool

898
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:01,540
speak to the other part because this is

899
00:39:06,030 --> 00:39:03,910
like kind of a pet peeve of mine is you

900
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:06,040
know trusting your experience do you

901
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:09,610
trust your experience and to what extent

902
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:12,010
are there limits to how far you would

903
00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:15,370
trust your experience and maybe just

904
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:23,260
that well I mean gosh that's such an

905
00:39:28,980 --> 00:39:25,690
interesting question because of course I

906
00:39:30,750 --> 00:39:28,990
trust my experience I tried to believe

907
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:30,760
what I see yeah

908
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:32,890
you know I don't even know if I totally

909
00:39:36,060 --> 00:39:34,510
understand exactly what you're asking me

910
00:39:37,530 --> 00:39:36,070
because it seems like the answer is of

911
00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:37,540
course just yes do you trust your

912
00:39:43,830 --> 00:39:40,990
experience well yeah maybe I was being a

913
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:43,840
little bit kind of obtuse there you know

914
00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:45,490
one of the things that happens when

915
00:39:51,330 --> 00:39:48,310
people have unusual experiences like

916
00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:51,340
Meryl was talking about they're forced

917
00:39:56,940 --> 00:39:54,910
with this dilemma of do i how much do i

918
00:39:59,700 --> 00:39:56,950
trust my experience how much do i trust

919
00:40:03,840 --> 00:39:59,710
an experience that shatters my reality

920
00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:03,850
and I think on the edge of that to me is

921
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:08,230
really kind of a interesting place to be

922
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:09,730
an interesting place that we all are

923
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:12,490
like one of the the kind of driving

924
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:14,710
forces of this show has been you know

925
00:40:18,660 --> 00:40:16,510
trust your experience but don't trust it

926
00:40:21,060 --> 00:40:18,670
too far I mean that is the beauty of

927
00:40:23,970 --> 00:40:21,070
science what science says you know

928
00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:23,980
science had it's a stream at the

929
00:40:29,460 --> 00:40:26,950
ridiculous dopey level that it usually

930
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:29,470
is portrayed says don't trust anything

931
00:40:34,350 --> 00:40:31,450
about your experience because you don't

932
00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:34,360
have an experience your experience is an

933
00:40:39,630 --> 00:40:37,030
illusion your experience is the right

934
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:39,640
now think about that see it is the

935
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:42,790
random firing of the neurons in your

936
00:40:48,270 --> 00:40:46,510
brain you have no free will there is no

937
00:40:50,340 --> 00:40:48,280
way around that you're kind of curling

938
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,350
up your eyebrows there but nothing else

939
00:40:54,789 --> 00:40:52,880
once I know no I'm not

940
00:40:56,890 --> 00:40:54,799
I'm just saying it's so hard my wife is

941
00:40:59,439 --> 00:40:56,900
PhD in psychology and I say this and she

942
00:41:00,789 --> 00:40:59,449
gets mad at me - no time looks back at

943
00:41:02,259 --> 00:41:00,799
you goes back and reads it she goes well

944
00:41:03,819 --> 00:41:02,269
yeah I can see how you can interpret

945
00:41:05,739 --> 00:41:03,829
that there's really no other way to

946
00:41:08,170 --> 00:41:05,749
interpret it that's what science is

947
00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:08,180
saying there is no free will there is no

948
00:41:12,189 --> 00:41:10,670
ghost inside the machine as they say it

949
00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:12,199
there is nothing really sitting back

950
00:41:17,439 --> 00:41:14,900
there deciding what to think and what to

951
00:41:20,219 --> 00:41:17,449
do and what to observe it's all a

952
00:41:22,930 --> 00:41:20,229
biological robot this is an insane idea

953
00:41:25,180 --> 00:41:22,940
but it's where science is stuck because

954
00:41:27,099 --> 00:41:25,190
it has some certain advantages in terms

955
00:41:29,289 --> 00:41:27,109
of making things work out you know part

956
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:29,299
of the good part of not trusting your

957
00:41:35,049 --> 00:41:33,049
experience is does Meryl take her entire

958
00:41:36,789 --> 00:41:35,059
experience and say that's it I heard

959
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:36,799
these voices they sounded demonic

960
00:41:42,939 --> 00:41:39,440
therefore you know I got to go with that

961
00:41:45,189 --> 00:41:42,949
or does she say well gee you know what

962
00:41:47,890 --> 00:41:45,199
other experiences are other people

963
00:41:48,430 --> 00:41:47,900
having how do I compare or contrast fit

964
00:41:51,309 --> 00:41:48,440
in

965
00:41:52,779 --> 00:41:51,319
are there any science studies that have

966
00:41:53,529 --> 00:41:52,789
been done does this ever happen to

967
00:41:56,829 --> 00:41:53,539
anyone else

968
00:41:59,529 --> 00:41:56,839
and so this process of both trusting the

969
00:42:01,749 --> 00:41:59,539
experience and at the same time not

970
00:42:03,999 --> 00:42:01,759
trusting the experience is kind of

971
00:42:06,849 --> 00:42:04,009
something that I play off on and I guess

972
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:06,859
I was picking on you again no really

973
00:42:17,049 --> 00:42:14,569
yeah really because I I think with that

974
00:42:25,019 --> 00:42:17,059
with that what do you trust your

975
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:28,870
first off you know I'm sitting here I'm

976
00:42:34,089 --> 00:42:30,650
listening to you guys and I'm like yeah

977
00:42:37,150 --> 00:42:34,099
I sound like an idiot just because I

978
00:42:39,759 --> 00:42:37,160
sound like I'm so close-minded to new

979
00:42:41,229 --> 00:42:39,769
experience or new ideas or like I

980
00:42:43,269 --> 00:42:41,239
already have a set and I know what it is

981
00:42:46,029 --> 00:42:43,279
and this is life and blah blah blah but

982
00:42:49,150 --> 00:42:46,039
I don't feel that way honestly I am

983
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:49,160
feeling like a constant evolution of new

984
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:50,930
ideas and and as you sit here and

985
00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:52,729
talking like well yeah of course

986
00:42:58,170 --> 00:42:55,910
like I'm with you I'm with you on on a

987
00:43:03,160 --> 00:42:58,180
lot of what you're saying

988
00:43:04,779 --> 00:43:03,170
it's just I'm still probably getting

989
00:43:06,460 --> 00:43:04,789
over some my own belief shift that

990
00:43:09,550 --> 00:43:06,470
haven't dealt with

991
00:43:11,050 --> 00:43:09,560
and especially going back to UFOs and

992
00:43:13,150 --> 00:43:11,060
things like that sigh me like well I

993
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:13,160
believe in them but I don't believe you

994
00:43:17,050 --> 00:43:14,510
you know it's the kind of thing it's

995
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:17,060
like what am i arguing about like truly

996
00:43:25,210 --> 00:43:23,450
and and so I do think - I do a lot of I

997
00:43:29,470 --> 00:43:25,220
do a lot of thinking by myself

998
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:29,480
and he's by himself a lot nobody wants

999
00:43:36,910 --> 00:43:33,050
to hang out no but and in that time I

1000
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,920
I'm not a I personally don't feel like I

1001
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:38,240
just go throughout my day not

1002
00:43:42,339 --> 00:43:40,609
challenging ideas I try to be an

1003
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:42,349
open-minded person that's not me saying

1004
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,970
like look at me and open-minded but

1005
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:45,920
maybe that's for someone else to even

1006
00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:51,710
say about me but I do feel like what

1007
00:43:59,020 --> 00:43:53,150
you're saying right now is kind of

1008
00:44:02,560 --> 00:43:59,030
messing with me a bit so yeah the idea

1009
00:44:04,510 --> 00:44:02,570
that I have no free will I don't believe

1010
00:44:05,170 --> 00:44:04,520
and I kind of do believe so I'm

1011
00:44:12,070 --> 00:44:05,180
conflicted

1012
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:12,080
why why anything is happening I can't

1013
00:44:16,770 --> 00:44:14,000
truly explain other than I think oh I

1014
00:44:19,150 --> 00:44:16,780
have the choice to do this but like yeah

1015
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:19,160
so I think I am at at a point right now

1016
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:22,910
where I'm on the edge of of learning

1017
00:44:29,620 --> 00:44:26,240
that next place whether it's levels or

1018
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:29,630
something I don't know so I'm open to

1019
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:31,369
your ideas we even though they sound

1020
00:44:38,349 --> 00:44:35,150
[\h__\h] to me I'm willing to sit here

1021
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,359
through your ridicule you foxy let's

1022
00:44:44,620 --> 00:44:40,880
let's keep going keep going and well I

1023
00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:44,630
think is maybe some of like his feelings

1024
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:46,760
are due to if we had like Mountain Dew

1025
00:44:50,290 --> 00:44:48,650
yesterday the chemicals in that and then

1026
00:44:52,540 --> 00:44:50,300
he ate a pig and the pig was screaming

1027
00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:52,550
for its death as it like it didn't want

1028
00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:54,440
to die and then now he has like the pigs

1029
00:44:58,810 --> 00:44:56,510
cortisol in him so I think that there's

1030
00:45:00,910 --> 00:44:58,820
a lot at play I also happen to be like I

1031
00:45:03,970 --> 00:45:00,920
love animals I love animal welfare so I

1032
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,980
always think about where people come

1033
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:05,599
from but I also think that there's a lot

1034
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:08,570
of like I don't think I trust my

1035
00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:10,250
experience in the way that the way that

1036
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:12,200
our food was contaminated now and the

1037
00:45:16,180 --> 00:45:14,089
way that our air is contaminated and

1038
00:45:18,940 --> 00:45:16,190
like I trust my experience as like a

1039
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:18,950
soul person from the beginning but now I

1040
00:45:22,570 --> 00:45:20,330
feel like there's so much just mess

1041
00:45:25,090 --> 00:45:22,580
stuff about what's going on in our like

1042
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:25,100
lifetime that I feel like I'm Way off

1043
00:45:30,220 --> 00:45:28,610
from the experience that like I feel

1044
00:45:31,390 --> 00:45:30,230
like the me that was born like when I

1045
00:45:33,490 --> 00:45:31,400
thought it was going to be when I came

1046
00:45:35,980 --> 00:45:33,500
into this planet now it seems like way

1047
00:45:37,450 --> 00:45:35,990
messed up to me like I almost feel like

1048
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:37,460
I didn't ask for all this on a certain

1049
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:41,630
level who like to be on this at a time

1050
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:43,610
when like things are so kind of

1051
00:45:57,250 --> 00:45:46,010
contaminated whether its food or air or

1052
00:46:18,640 --> 00:45:57,260
just beliefs or you know like okay on

1053
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:18,650
the planet but yeah that's the thing I

1054
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:22,970
think about you is just the hypocrisy

1055
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:24,890
and I'm completely hypocritical to of

1056
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:27,050
like having beliefs thinking that

1057
00:46:31,780 --> 00:46:28,610
there's stuff out there but to me like

1058
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:31,790
consuming beings or you know animals

1059
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:33,530
that didn't want to die is a big thing I

1060
00:46:37,690 --> 00:46:34,910
think about I'm not vegan or vegetarian

1061
00:46:48,850 --> 00:46:37,700
but it's something that like wait a

1062
00:46:51,370 --> 00:46:48,860
minute it's a big giant like disparity

1063
00:46:52,990 --> 00:46:51,380
in how I feel and think and sometimes

1064
00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:53,000
will be even on the way here we ate a

1065
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:54,830
chicken sandwich and in my ideas you

1066
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:56,090
that you can say would you didn't have

1067
00:46:59,830 --> 00:46:57,530
to eat the chicken I don't know I'm in a

1068
00:47:01,600 --> 00:46:59,840
weird zone where like I haven't no you

1069
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:01,610
just ate the chicken sandwich you're not

1070
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:03,530
any weird zone you just decided to eat

1071
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:06,010
the chicken sandwich

1072
00:47:10,750 --> 00:47:08,570
chickens soul a little part of the

1073
00:47:12,010 --> 00:47:10,760
chicken soul at me that was a starbucks

1074
00:47:14,290 --> 00:47:12,020
sandwich it wasn't even real chicken

1075
00:47:17,020 --> 00:47:14,300
probably honest it was like it was

1076
00:47:19,090 --> 00:47:17,030
probably like Haitian kids well then we

1077
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:19,100
ate a bell actually we could not get

1078
00:47:22,570 --> 00:47:20,210
enough of the balloon Manavi

1079
00:47:23,980 --> 00:47:22,580
so balloon Minotti if i go through the

1080
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:23,990
drive-thru and ask for like i'm just

1081
00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:26,450
like coming here the tryingo meal but

1082
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:27,830
yes so that's a big thing i think about

1083
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:29,330
you and i think ever since i had my

1084
00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:31,910
experience and way more open to like

1085
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:33,710
like I think about the way

1086
00:47:37,630 --> 00:47:35,839
cows feel in their fear as they like

1087
00:47:39,250 --> 00:47:37,640
walk to get killed and everything and

1088
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:39,260
that makes me want to like fall to the

1089
00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:41,810
floor in crumpled but I still don't

1090
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:43,849
choose to eat vegetarian or vegan which

1091
00:47:48,370 --> 00:47:46,130
I so it on a certain level everything

1092
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:48,380
that I feel is like [\h__\h] do I can't

1093
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:50,720
be holier than that with any of my

1094
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:52,250
beliefs because I feel like I've one big

1095
00:47:57,849 --> 00:47:54,710
walking hypocrite in that realm

1096
00:47:59,290 --> 00:47:57,859
particularly oh this is why I'm so

1097
00:48:03,520 --> 00:47:59,300
skeptical of everything she said are you

1098
00:48:07,870 --> 00:48:03,530
vegetarian or vegan nope no no I am you

1099
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:07,880
know my personal philosophy is you know

1100
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:11,930
I'm about 90% vegetarian very well and

1101
00:48:16,990 --> 00:48:14,720
and and and I think in my way of

1102
00:48:18,910 --> 00:48:17,000
thinking that's good I mean that's I'm

1103
00:48:22,690 --> 00:48:18,920
moving in the right direction yeah yeah

1104
00:48:24,010 --> 00:48:22,700
yeah less meat is good it's it's good

1105
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:24,020
and kind of all these different

1106
00:48:27,339 --> 00:48:25,910
environmental ways it's probably also

1107
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:27,349
good for your soul and the way that

1108
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:28,970
you're talking about but I don't get too

1109
00:48:35,530 --> 00:48:32,960
hung up on it you know in terms of that

1110
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:35,540
part of it because you can't in my

1111
00:48:39,460 --> 00:48:37,280
understanding you can't really follow

1112
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:39,470
that through any logical conclusion in

1113
00:48:43,690 --> 00:48:41,570
terms of what that means in terms of all

1114
00:48:46,450 --> 00:48:43,700
these different souls you know that's

1115
00:48:48,339 --> 00:48:46,460
kind of I I I'm not at a level where I

1116
00:48:50,380 --> 00:48:48,349
could pretend to kind of understand that

1117
00:48:52,030 --> 00:48:50,390
and I think that's also where some of

1118
00:48:54,849 --> 00:48:52,040
this stuff takes you back to maybe kind

1119
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:54,859
of oh is that I mean if you really kind

1120
00:49:00,730 --> 00:48:57,530
of process this you realize that there

1121
00:49:02,349 --> 00:49:00,740
are no answers because it is at a

1122
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:02,359
different level

1123
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:04,730
you know yep that's a little bit

1124
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:09,710
abstract if science is wrong about the

1125
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:11,450
biological robot need in this universe

1126
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:13,190
then what they're really wrong about is

1127
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:16,010
this idea of consciousness consciousness

1128
00:49:20,890 --> 00:49:19,130
is that voice inside your head not the

1129
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:20,900
crazy voice inside your head but the

1130
00:49:25,450 --> 00:49:22,910
calm voice inside your head when you

1131
00:49:28,839 --> 00:49:25,460
just sit back and say okay I'm gonna say

1132
00:49:31,089 --> 00:49:28,849
hello and who heard that hello well

1133
00:49:33,970 --> 00:49:31,099
there's someone always something some

1134
00:49:37,630 --> 00:49:33,980
part of me that is always present so

1135
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,640
that's a real consciousness and that's

1136
00:49:41,260 --> 00:49:39,200
the consciousness that does seem to

1137
00:49:43,150 --> 00:49:41,270
survive bodily death so these near-death

1138
00:49:45,370 --> 00:49:43,160
experiences these people have cardiac

1139
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:45,380
arrest they're dead their brain is no

1140
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:47,089
longer functioning and yet they come

1141
00:49:49,690 --> 00:49:47,450
back

1142
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:49,700
can tell you how they were resuscitated

1143
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:52,970
you know I just had on a researcher dr.

1144
00:49:59,710 --> 00:49:56,000
penny Satori who that was her research

1145
00:50:01,810 --> 00:49:59,720
is to go and talk to people who had a

1146
00:50:03,730 --> 00:50:01,820
cardiac arrest were dead for a couple

1147
00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:03,740
minutes and then she says how are you

1148
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:06,230
resuscitated and most people are like

1149
00:50:12,670 --> 00:50:09,520
what do you mean I was dead I don't know

1150
00:50:14,590 --> 00:50:12,680
but some people in then she goes okay

1151
00:50:16,510 --> 00:50:14,600
well we'll just tell me what you think I

1152
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:16,520
go well they probably came in this night

1153
00:50:20,380 --> 00:50:19,010
will they get it all wrong and then

1154
00:50:21,970 --> 00:50:20,390
there's another group of people these

1155
00:50:24,340 --> 00:50:21,980
people have these near-death experiences

1156
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:24,350
and they come in they go almost kind of

1157
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,570
surprised because there wasn't the PALS

1158
00:50:30,340 --> 00:50:28,160
they just came over and started pumping

1159
00:50:32,020 --> 00:50:30,350
my heart as my practice one nurse gonna

1160
00:50:33,970 --> 00:50:32,030
do it very well so she called this other

1161
00:50:37,420 --> 00:50:33,980
guy over and then they started doing it

1162
00:50:40,450 --> 00:50:37,430
there is no way that people should be

1163
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,460
able to recall after a minute or two

1164
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:42,640
after they're dead how they were

1165
00:50:49,690 --> 00:50:46,160
resuscitated so clearly not clearly but

1166
00:50:51,730 --> 00:50:49,700
apparently consciousness survives bodily

1167
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:51,740
death so but the point that about

1168
00:50:58,020 --> 00:50:54,890
consciousness is if there really is this

1169
00:51:03,640 --> 00:50:58,030
consciousness if it really does exist

1170
00:51:06,610 --> 00:51:03,650
then it is probably fundamental it is

1171
00:51:11,410 --> 00:51:06,620
probably what everything is built on top

1172
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:11,420
of so you me the microphone all that is

1173
00:51:18,340 --> 00:51:13,850
probably in some way we can't understand

1174
00:51:20,590 --> 00:51:18,350
or articulate part of consciousness just

1175
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:20,600
like we're part of consciousness rather

1176
00:51:24,490 --> 00:51:22,730
than we're here and everything is out

1177
00:51:26,980 --> 00:51:24,500
there that's really abstract

1178
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:26,990
philosophical stuff but if you process

1179
00:51:34,270 --> 00:51:30,800
it it's the only conclusion that makes

1180
00:51:36,610 --> 00:51:34,280
any kind of sense if consciousness is

1181
00:51:38,740 --> 00:51:36,620
real and that's why science lies so much

1182
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:38,750
about consciousness and says no no let's

1183
00:51:42,070 --> 00:51:40,310
just call the biologic or what's means

1184
00:51:45,250 --> 00:51:42,080
you know there's lots simpler than

1185
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:45,260
getting into all that other stuff of how

1186
00:51:51,310 --> 00:51:46,850
many angels hit them fit on the head of

1187
00:51:53,530 --> 00:51:51,320
a pin let's not go there I hope they

1188
00:51:56,260 --> 00:51:53,540
come back as a snail or I feel like my

1189
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:56,270
consciousness will like get imported and

1190
00:51:59,380 --> 00:51:57,410
I'm just gonna be a snail like

1191
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,390
slithering across the pavement that

1192
00:52:02,990 --> 00:52:00,960
someone steps on or something

1193
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:03,000
but I was gonna say I actually grew up

1194
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:04,710
my dad as a scientist and he's a

1195
00:52:11,210 --> 00:52:07,440
botanist so I grew up with a big science

1196
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:11,220
background which I think helps in some

1197
00:52:15,470 --> 00:52:12,930
way like you know the way we classify

1198
00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:15,480
kingdoms and the way we have let name

1199
00:52:19,930 --> 00:52:17,910
for plants and I like that view of

1200
00:52:22,849 --> 00:52:19,940
science where it helps us classify the

1201
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:22,859
tangible things in life but I'll

1202
00:52:27,859 --> 00:52:25,280
definitely have the wide open view of

1203
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:27,869
other things happening in the realm but

1204
00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:30,720
I love science in the way where now if

1205
00:52:35,210 --> 00:52:33,780
someone's leg is bleeding science has

1206
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:35,220
helped us develop it like I don't think

1207
00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:37,170
it would do much good just to be like my

1208
00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:39,750
leg is bleeding but the consciousness of

1209
00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:42,540
the blood is the same as the as the like

1210
00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:43,800
stretchers that I'm laying on or

1211
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:45,030
something like that you know I love the

1212
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:47,490
way that we've developed antibiotics and

1213
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:50,310
stuff like that but I don't know I think

1214
00:52:58,490 --> 00:52:53,640
both I'm respectful of science but I'm

1215
00:53:01,579 --> 00:52:58,500
also open to other realms within

1216
00:53:04,460 --> 00:53:01,589
consciousness hey so you guys tell me

1217
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:04,470
where are you going with camphor Shh oh

1218
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:07,440
wow that you've now that you've been

1219
00:53:12,589 --> 00:53:09,930
blown away by the UFO reality

1220
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,599
well nozzoli gonna change I'm totally

1221
00:53:15,620 --> 00:53:14,400
screwed I don't even want to do the [\h__\h]

1222
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:15,630
show I'm actually gonna come on your

1223
00:53:19,550 --> 00:53:16,920
show from now on even though your

1224
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:19,560
viewers are gonna hate it I'm gonna come

1225
00:53:23,810 --> 00:53:20,970
and just be here every week and I'm

1226
00:53:25,940 --> 00:53:23,820
planning an intergalactic tour for us so

1227
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:25,950
Elon Musk if you're listening we're

1228
00:53:30,859 --> 00:53:29,130
ready to know we have a mix tweet this

1229
00:53:33,050 --> 00:53:30,869
is why we love talking to you we love

1230
00:53:35,420 --> 00:53:33,060
talking to anyone with strong beliefs

1231
00:53:38,660 --> 00:53:35,430
whether they're comedians you know

1232
00:53:42,260 --> 00:53:38,670
people like you any what you saying is

1233
00:53:46,339 --> 00:53:42,270
you're not funny comedians or people

1234
00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:46,349
like you know actors we have we have all

1235
00:53:51,380 --> 00:53:48,180
types of really interesting guests and a

1236
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:51,390
lot of us about like getting down to not

1237
00:53:56,030 --> 00:53:54,810
what we do but who we are and you know a

1238
00:53:58,310 --> 00:53:56,040
lot of people want to talk about the job

1239
00:53:59,780 --> 00:53:58,320
that they have or the you know maybe

1240
00:54:02,450 --> 00:53:59,790
even the belief system that they have

1241
00:54:04,099 --> 00:54:02,460
but we want to talk about the joining

1242
00:54:06,109 --> 00:54:04,109
forces of what a story where an

1243
00:54:08,180 --> 00:54:06,119
experience can bring people and a lot of

1244
00:54:10,820 --> 00:54:08,190
times that comes out very cleanly in

1245
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:10,830
front of a campfire you know as a kid

1246
00:54:14,570 --> 00:54:12,810
sitting around a campfire people start

1247
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:14,580
telling stories and it's

1248
00:54:18,770 --> 00:54:17,010
nice to hear that we all are kind of in

1249
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:18,780
the same place regardless of our beliefs

1250
00:54:22,940 --> 00:54:20,760
and we've all had that embarrassing

1251
00:54:26,450 --> 00:54:22,950
story or that thing that has shaped us

1252
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:26,460
in some way over and over and over again

1253
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:28,530
and so we try to get to that and in a

1254
00:54:32,510 --> 00:54:30,570
comedic way in a fun and comfortable way

1255
00:54:35,420 --> 00:54:32,520
yeah and I think it's all just like a

1256
00:54:38,510 --> 00:54:35,430
cosmic joke anyway so good and bad we

1257
00:54:40,070 --> 00:54:38,520
just look at it from a like that what

1258
00:54:42,170 --> 00:54:40,080
are some of your favorite shows so far

1259
00:54:47,020 --> 00:54:42,180
that we've done yeah

1260
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:47,030
oh we just had a comedian on who is a

1261
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:49,650
fantastic impressionist so I loved

1262
00:54:54,260 --> 00:54:52,050
hearing about her realm she had a hit go

1263
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:54,270
viral her name is Lauren O'Brien and a

1264
00:54:58,730 --> 00:54:56,490
few years ago she had a viral video on

1265
00:55:00,380 --> 00:54:58,740
YouTube that got up to like 16 million

1266
00:55:01,340 --> 00:55:00,390
views it was talked about on Good

1267
00:55:02,810 --> 00:55:01,350
Morning America

1268
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:02,820
she had the Ellen Show calling so I

1269
00:55:06,980 --> 00:55:05,010
really enjoyed that episode because she

1270
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,990
talked about what it was like to go kind

1271
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:08,640
of internet-famous within a night you

1272
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:10,890
know she was on a flight from here to

1273
00:55:14,510 --> 00:55:12,810
New York and by the time she landed in

1274
00:55:17,180 --> 00:55:14,520
New York she was famous on the internet

1275
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:17,190
and it was really weird to hear her view

1276
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:19,110
of how she kind of made it in Hollywood

1277
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,090
for a few weeks and then before you know

1278
00:55:26,030 --> 00:55:23,520
it the news cycle was over and she was

1279
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:26,040
dropped her agency dropped her and just

1280
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:28,110
how she recovered from then so I feel

1281
00:55:30,830 --> 00:55:29,310
like people that are interested in the

1282
00:55:32,170 --> 00:55:30,840
entertainment industry will really love

1283
00:55:34,070 --> 00:55:32,180
it because it's an inside look at how

1284
00:55:35,210 --> 00:55:34,080
exciting it can be and everyone's

1285
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:35,220
kissing your ass and then all of a

1286
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:37,050
sudden you're dropped like a cold potato

1287
00:55:40,550 --> 00:55:39,900
and no one wants you so I like that

1288
00:55:42,260 --> 00:55:40,560
episode a lot

1289
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:42,270
yeah and juxtapose that with the last

1290
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:46,290
episode which was I was curious that

1291
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:49,710
maybe my girlfriend was cheating on me

1292
00:55:55,940 --> 00:55:54,480
and so the universe happened and put me

1293
00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:55,950
in a situation where I actually got to

1294
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,800
catch her cheating on me with a guy and

1295
00:56:03,830 --> 00:56:00,960
it was just I just lay the whole story

1296
00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:03,840
out and it's very vulnerable and awful

1297
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,640
and wonderful and I feel electric

1298
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:07,680
because of it but it wasn't a great

1299
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:09,210
thing to go through that was the latest

1300
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:10,770
episode of course poe's trying to tell

1301
00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:12,570
me as a friend and I'm like wait wait we

1302
00:56:16,310 --> 00:56:13,740
have the podcast about this I know

1303
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:16,320
you're heartbroken but this is the

1304
00:56:23,730 --> 00:56:19,450
he told me the story genuinely for the

1305
00:56:24,810 --> 00:56:23,740
first time that's I mean I don't know I

1306
00:56:27,090 --> 00:56:24,820
mean it's it's horrible

1307
00:56:31,050 --> 00:56:27,100
let's go through that but what do you

1308
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:31,060
make of that that part of podcasting I

1309
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:33,250
think that's absolutely awesome I think

1310
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:35,530
that's awesome that you did that and you

1311
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,290
share that I'm sure a lot of people you

1312
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:40,000
know benefited from it and at the same

1313
00:56:44,580 --> 00:56:41,770
time I've relate to the exhilaration

1314
00:56:47,220 --> 00:56:44,590
part you know it is exhilarating to

1315
00:56:50,220 --> 00:56:47,230
share and be that open in that way do

1316
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:50,230
you guys have any thoughts on that I

1317
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:52,330
made I think we've both made a pact with

1318
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:54,910
each other in the podcast to be as real

1319
00:57:01,050 --> 00:56:58,090
and honest as we can and to not put on

1320
00:57:02,670 --> 00:57:01,060
any airs so I love that beauty of

1321
00:57:04,980 --> 00:57:02,680
podcasting just because we're not gonna

1322
00:57:13,170 --> 00:57:04,990
hold into any sponsors knowing that

1323
00:57:14,670 --> 00:57:13,180
radio is I'm sorry I was good to us

1324
00:57:16,140 --> 00:57:14,680
oh that's okay okay now I can hear so

1325
00:57:18,060 --> 00:57:16,150
yeah let me start over I was just gonna

1326
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:18,070
say I love the beauty of podcasting as

1327
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:20,050
we're not beholden to sponsors the way

1328
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that radio is until we can come with our

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00:57:27,090 --> 00:57:25,840
own opinions and if the listener doesn't

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00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:27,100
agree they can keep listening or they

1331
00:57:31,290 --> 00:57:29,890
can switch off but you know our safe of

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00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:31,300
the podcast no matter how big the

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00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,530
listenership is or make it smaller

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00:57:36,510 --> 00:57:34,480
bigger it's like we're gonna stay true

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and then integral to herself only that

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00:57:42,210 --> 00:57:38,500
you have with yours I'm doing nobody a

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00:57:47,700 --> 00:57:42,220
favor by making a story I'd rather just

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be completely honest so but [\h__\h] man

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that's do you realize that there's never

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00:57:57,090 --> 00:57:54,370
been anything like that that we know of

1341
00:57:59,400 --> 00:57:57,100
in history I mean that is kind of

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00:58:03,890 --> 00:57:59,410
mind-blowing but think about it though

1343
00:58:07,530 --> 00:58:03,900
even 5-10 years ago there was no one

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00:58:10,620 --> 00:58:07,540
broadcasting to everybody there carry

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00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:10,630
their girlfriend cheating on him I mean

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00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:13,270
what do you think that what do you think

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00:58:16,350 --> 00:58:14,770
that what do you think about that what

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00:58:18,210 --> 00:58:16,360
do you think that means for our culture

1349
00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:18,220
I think it's it could be a great thing

1350
00:58:21,090 --> 00:58:19,540
but as we were talking about with the

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neighbors thing you know you're not

1352
00:58:25,380 --> 00:58:23,260
telling it to your neighbor now you're

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00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:25,390
gonna tell it to the world

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00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:28,970
maybe that's really cool no I I think we

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00:58:34,210 --> 00:58:32,450
have that we have that place to do it

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00:58:36,220 --> 00:58:34,220
now where we didn't have it and it is

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00:58:38,410 --> 00:58:36,230
safe for me to tell a story to Merrill

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00:58:39,759 --> 00:58:38,420
in front of two microphones and not sit

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00:58:42,819 --> 00:58:39,769
in front of a huge crowd of people and

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go I have to challenge the fact that my

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00:58:47,979 --> 00:58:45,859
girlfriend cheated on me and then I have

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00:58:49,450 --> 00:58:47,989
to ask the question why I mean

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00:58:50,979 --> 00:58:49,460
ultimately I come to the decision that

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00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:50,989
if someone's gonna cheat on somebody

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00:58:54,970 --> 00:58:53,359
it's not your fault it's their fault

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00:58:58,269 --> 00:58:54,980
it's on them they get to live with that

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00:59:00,039 --> 00:58:58,279
junk but it is very vulnerable and I

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00:59:02,349 --> 00:59:00,049
think in many ways it's therapy

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00:59:04,089 --> 00:59:02,359
it's absolutely therapy instead of

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holding things in and letting it destroy

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00:59:08,589 --> 00:59:05,660
you and letting it grow bigger than you

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put it out there say [\h__\h] it I'm gonna

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00:59:12,849 --> 00:59:10,910
expose this for what it is exactly what

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00:59:14,140 --> 00:59:12,859
you're doing you're kind of putting some

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00:59:15,789 --> 00:59:14,150
exposure out there putting your

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00:59:18,539 --> 00:59:15,799
honest-to-god feelings or

1377
00:59:21,279 --> 00:59:18,549
honest-to-goodness feelings out there

1378
00:59:22,569 --> 00:59:21,289
honestly we've been letting people you

1379
00:59:25,269 --> 00:59:22,579
know that's why you have viewers or

1380
00:59:25,870 --> 00:59:25,279
listeners because they go yeah I feel

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00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:25,880
that way too

1382
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:27,920
and I've had people already write me and

1383
00:59:32,620 --> 00:59:30,049
say man I'm so glad you shared that

1384
00:59:34,900 --> 00:59:32,630
story you know hardly ever do people get

1385
00:59:37,150 --> 00:59:34,910
caught they just get away with it you

1386
00:59:39,789 --> 00:59:37,160
find out later or something but like I

1387
00:59:43,690 --> 00:59:39,799
was in the trenches like I see you I'm

1388
00:59:45,370 --> 00:59:43,700
gonna get you you know and so they

1389
00:59:47,140 --> 00:59:45,380
really enjoyed that and so that tells

1390
00:59:49,089 --> 00:59:47,150
you a lot about what society really

1391
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:49,099
wants they are craving for that like

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00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:52,249
honesty or that's vulnerability you know

1393
00:59:56,140 --> 00:59:54,410
I guess part of the place I was going

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00:59:57,999 --> 00:59:56,150
with that is that I think the knee-jerk

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01:00:01,229 --> 00:59:58,009
reaction especially from people from the

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01:00:04,359 --> 01:00:01,239
outside looking in it is to kind of

1397
01:00:06,670 --> 01:00:04,369
disparage that or kind of say you know

1398
01:00:08,829 --> 01:00:06,680
oh how screwed up you know our culture

1399
01:00:10,660 --> 01:00:08,839
is then you won't share it with your

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01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:10,670
neighbor you won't go bowling but you I

1401
01:00:15,130 --> 01:00:12,890
feel like you do I feel the opposite I

1402
01:00:19,660 --> 01:00:15,140
feel like no this is what we've all been

1403
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:19,670
craving is a community of our own making

1404
01:00:25,749 --> 01:00:23,089
a community that is voluntarily put

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01:00:27,729 --> 01:00:25,759
together it's not the Thanksgiving table

1406
01:00:29,620 --> 01:00:27,739
that you're forced to sit around and

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01:00:31,630 --> 01:00:29,630
write words to kind of play you know

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01:00:33,549 --> 01:00:31,640
these are your people and you can talk

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01:00:35,890 --> 01:00:33,559
to them about the stuff that you really

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01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:35,900
care about and you can connect with them

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01:00:38,109 --> 01:00:37,249
in a way that you never could have known

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01:00:41,140 --> 01:00:38,119
I think

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01:00:43,089 --> 01:00:41,150
it's absolutely fantastic in a number of

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01:00:46,210 --> 01:00:43,099
levels and I'm sure it's therapeutic but

1415
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:46,220
what happen with the girlfriend well

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01:00:55,539 --> 01:00:50,240
she's a piece of [\h__\h] the story is she's

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01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:55,549
a piece of [\h__\h] I'm thinking

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01:00:59,710 --> 01:00:57,410
self-defense just her when I got into

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01:01:01,809 --> 01:00:59,720
her but I was gonna say I'm very

1420
01:01:04,539 --> 01:01:01,819
involved in podcasting in general I work

1421
01:01:07,749 --> 01:01:04,549
for a podcast company it really touches

1422
01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:07,759
me when people for the first time taste

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01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:09,529
in the mic and even if they don't know

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01:01:13,569 --> 01:01:11,450
quite how to express themselves I really

1425
01:01:15,819 --> 01:01:13,579
love that we live in a time where yes

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01:01:18,190 --> 01:01:15,829
some of its own is done in like the eye

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01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:18,200
or the may or the ego but I think a lot

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01:01:21,759 --> 01:01:19,970
of times it's done just to like have a

1429
01:01:24,370 --> 01:01:21,769
way to express ourselves and we've kind

1430
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:24,380
of we don't need traditional radio or

1431
01:01:28,210 --> 01:01:26,480
traditional television channels anymore

1432
01:01:31,089 --> 01:01:28,220
we can blaze our own path and I think

1433
01:01:34,299 --> 01:01:31,099
for people like you like us who are just

1434
01:01:35,529 --> 01:01:34,309
naturally want to create content I love

1435
01:01:36,789 --> 01:01:35,539
that there's really no boundaries

1436
01:01:39,009 --> 01:01:36,799
anymore you know we have friends that

1437
01:01:40,900 --> 01:01:39,019
pretty much make like full-length movies

1438
01:01:42,430 --> 01:01:40,910
with their iPhones they're putting out

1439
01:01:44,829 --> 01:01:42,440
content and you don't have to wait for

1440
01:01:47,380 --> 01:01:44,839
anyone you can do it on a on a smaller

1441
01:01:49,900 --> 01:01:47,390
budget or no budget at all so I love

1442
01:01:52,029 --> 01:01:49,910
that it's taken away the like oh I want

1443
01:01:54,279 --> 01:01:52,039
to express myself but I can't because XY

1444
01:01:57,819 --> 01:01:54,289
and Z or we just have kind of reached

1445
01:01:59,319 --> 01:01:57,829
pact that so look I'm not of the mindset

1446
01:02:00,759 --> 01:01:59,329
I know a lot of people think oh everyone

1447
01:02:02,769 --> 01:02:00,769
has a podcast everyone has a YouTube

1448
01:02:04,299 --> 01:02:02,779
channel but to me it's like awesome if

1449
01:02:05,829 --> 01:02:04,309
human beings are expressing themselves

1450
01:02:09,009 --> 01:02:05,839
they're happier they're more at peace

1451
01:02:11,620 --> 01:02:09,019
and good luck to everyone I think you

1452
01:02:14,829 --> 01:02:11,630
know I think that's how I feel right

1453
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:14,839
onto that well this has been awesome

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01:02:20,259 --> 01:02:18,049
really hasn't it's so fun it is so fun

1455
01:02:20,829 --> 01:02:20,269
will you become on our podcast oh of

1456
01:02:26,349 --> 01:02:20,839
course

1457
01:02:28,509 --> 01:02:26,359
oh yes revenge is mine no I I would love

1458
01:02:30,370 --> 01:02:28,519
to have you on okay and I will be humble

1459
01:02:31,359 --> 01:02:30,380
I'll be quiet I'll take my beating as I

1460
01:02:35,979 --> 01:02:31,369
deserve it

1461
01:02:42,190 --> 01:02:35,989
I'll do some Kundalini Yoga first and

1462
01:02:45,370 --> 01:02:42,200
I'll have a party Trey I'll feel the

1463
01:02:47,620 --> 01:02:45,380
campaign so we're gonna have a link to

1464
01:02:49,059 --> 01:02:47,630
the campfire [\h__\h] show cuz you're gonna

1465
01:02:51,110 --> 01:02:49,069
want to check it out you're gonna want

1466
01:02:52,490 --> 01:02:51,120
to check out those two episodes

1467
01:02:53,810 --> 01:02:52,500
I've got a run over you know because I

1468
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:53,820
listen to some of the previous ones but

1469
01:02:59,240 --> 01:02:56,720
I haven't listened to those two so hey

1470
01:03:01,010 --> 01:02:59,250
put them right up there to the top of

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01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:01,020
the list that is so cool

1472
01:03:04,670 --> 01:03:03,210
if we titled it stakeout in pandemonium

1473
01:03:07,010 --> 01:03:04,680
so that's the if you see the one that's

1474
01:03:09,950 --> 01:03:07,020
titled stakeout know that that's posed a

1475
01:03:12,050 --> 01:03:09,960
coward catches a cheater oh god that's

1476
01:03:14,990 --> 01:03:12,060
so cool so my guests again have been

1477
01:03:17,060 --> 01:03:15,000
Marilyn both from campfire [\h__\h] Joe from

1478
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:17,070
right here in San Diego they're doing a

1479
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:18,240
great show and they've done a lot of

1480
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:20,490
other cool things you can catch up check

1481
01:03:24,830 --> 01:03:22,110
out some of their other videos on

1482
01:03:26,510 --> 01:03:24,840
YouTube y'all thank you so much for

1483
01:03:28,090 --> 01:03:26,520
doing this let's go if you've got time

1484
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:28,100
let's go grab some lunch

1485
01:03:35,030 --> 01:03:32,490
yep thanks again to Maryland bill for

1486
01:03:37,010 --> 01:03:35,040
joining me today on skeptic oh the one

1487
01:03:39,410 --> 01:03:37,020
question I guess I'd have to tee up from

1488
01:03:43,490 --> 01:03:39,420
this interview is I keep pitching this

1489
01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:43,500
idea that conspiracies are central to

1490
01:03:49,940 --> 01:03:46,710
this consciousness exploration deep

1491
01:03:52,670 --> 01:03:49,950
spirituality thing that we're trying to

1492
01:03:55,250 --> 01:03:52,680
get at with this show and I want to know

1493
01:03:57,890 --> 01:03:55,260
if you agree I think what I laid out

1494
01:04:01,340 --> 01:03:57,900
here is this idea that conspiracies are

1495
01:04:04,730 --> 01:04:01,350
somehow the bridge between what we want

1496
01:04:06,970 --> 01:04:04,740
out of science in terms of scientific

1497
01:04:09,260 --> 01:04:06,980
method in terms of some way of

1498
01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:09,270
organizing an understanding and

1499
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:13,260
measuring experience and the craziness

1500
01:04:18,530 --> 01:04:15,450
that science has become and the

1501
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:18,540
absurdity of biological robots at Mila's

1502
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:20,010
universe than a premise that's

1503
01:04:25,330 --> 01:04:21,810
completely false and filled with

1504
01:04:27,980 --> 01:04:25,340
conspiracy and that in some way

1505
01:04:31,700 --> 01:04:27,990
understanding conspiracies in general

1506
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:31,710
give us a leg up on sorting that all out

1507
01:04:38,210 --> 01:04:35,610
that's my position anyway but I want to

1508
01:04:41,470 --> 01:04:38,220
turn that into a question and see what

1509
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:41,480
you think so let me hear from you either

1510
01:04:45,770 --> 01:04:43,650
right here on the comment section

1511
01:04:47,870 --> 01:04:45,780
wherever that may be that you're hearing

1512
01:04:50,750 --> 01:04:47,880
this or through the skeptical forum or

1513
01:04:54,170 --> 01:04:50,760
drop me an email like so many of you

1514
01:04:57,710 --> 01:04:54,180
have which is so terrific and I will try

1515
01:05:00,260 --> 01:04:57,720
my best to respond to everything I hear

1516
01:05:03,210 --> 01:05:00,270
number of interesting shows coming up

1517
01:05:05,130 --> 01:05:03,220
number of interesting projects coming up

1518
01:05:09,030 --> 01:05:05,140
stay with me there's some fun stuff

1519
01:05:11,609 --> 01:05:09,040
coming up on skeptical until next time

1520
01:05:13,650 --> 01:05:11,619
take care and bye for now

1521
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:13,660
so thanks for watching this video if it

1522
01:05:18,089 --> 01:05:15,520
wasn't really a video but just an audio

1523
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:18,099
stored as a video well I apologize but

1524
01:05:21,630 --> 01:05:19,690
there's more videos out there as well

1525
01:05:23,460 --> 01:05:21,640
but please check out the skeptical

1526
01:05:24,810 --> 01:05:23,470
website you can see it here we cover a

1527
01:05:27,630 --> 01:05:24,820
lot of different stuff you might be

1528
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:27,640
interested in relating to controversial

1529
01:05:33,690 --> 01:05:30,970
science and spirituality a lot of shows

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01:05:36,510 --> 01:05:33,700
up there over 350 of them are so all

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01:05:38,830 --> 01:05:36,520
free all available for download so do